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Question #1:

Sometimes my vet recommends bute for pain and sometimes he recommends banamine.  I understand that the two drugs are very similar.  When would you want to use bute versus banamine? 

Answer:

Bute and Banamine® are very similar drugs.  Bute is another name for the drug, phenylbutazone.  Banamine® is a brand name for the drug, flunixin meglumine.  Both drugs are considered to be NSAIDS, or nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs.  These drugs are defined as substances other than steroids that inhibit a component of the inflammatory cascade.  Other NSAIDS that we use in horses include ketoprofen (brand name Ketofen®) and the new drug, firocoxib (brand name Equioxx®).  In people, ibuprofen (brand name Advil®), is a commonly used NSAID. 

In most instances, NSAIDS, including bute and Banamine® have the following capabilities:
- anti-inflammatory (control inflammation)
- analgesic (pain control)
- anti-pyretic (fever control)

Additionally, bute and Banamine® have anti-endotoxic properties.  Endotoxin is a component of certain bacteria that can have serious detrimental effects if they gain access to the bloodstream.  They usually gain access from the gut or reproductive tract during bouts of colic or reproductive problems.  Banamine has been shown to be the most effective drug in fighting endotoxin and works in this regard at lower dosages. 

In other respects, bute and Banamine should theoretically be equal in effectiveness, however, this does not seem to be the case.  Experience has taught us that Banamine seems to be more effective for internal pain, such as colic, eye pain and uterine pain, whereas bute seems to be more effective for musculoskeletal pain from injuries/inflammation of the bones/ligaments/tendons.  Different veterinarians may have their own personal preferences for using one drug over the other in certain situations, however, and there is no right or wrong answer.  In most cases the drugs are interchangeable. 

It is best to follow the direction of your veterinarian when using these drugs.  But it is important to remember never to give these drugs to your horses for more than 5 days without consulting your veterinarian.  Bute should be dosed at 1-2grams once or twice a day for a 1000 lb horse.  Banamine should be given once or twice a day at a weight-appropriate dose.  Overdosage or prolonged use of either drug can lead to the development of severe stomach ulcers or kidney damage, so caution is indicated.

         

Question #2: 

Do you offer/feel that our horses should be vaccinated for botulism?  My neighbor just told me that her friend just lost two of her horses due to botulism from eating bad hay.

Answer:

 

Botulism is caused by toxins that are produced from the spore-forming bacteria, Clostridium botulinum. The bacteria are widely distributed in the environment and can survive for long periods.  Different sub-types of the bacteria produce different types of toxins, with the type B toxin causing most disease in horses.  Types C and A have also been documented to cause disease in horses.  There are different ways that horses can acquire botulism.  Wound botulism occurs when spores vegetate in a contaminated wound and produce toxins.  Forage poisoning usually results from ingestion of decaying plant material contaminated by pre-formed toxin due to improper storage of hay, haylage, silage or grain.  Animal carcasses decaying in feed material can also be a source of toxin.  Shaker Foal Syndrome results when foals ingest spores from the environment that then vegetate and produce toxins in the intestinal tract.  Adult horses seem to be resistant to the proliferation of ingested spores and absorption of toxins in this manner.

Botulism toxin acts by blocking nerve impulses, leading to weakness, difficulty swallowing and poor muscle tone.  Eventually horses become so weak that they cannot rise and they will often die of respiratory failure.  Treatment is often unrewarding and involves the use of antiserum and supportive care.

There is a vaccine available for horses against the type B toxin.  It was designed to be given to pregnant mares to prevent disease in their foals.  We do carry this vaccine and do sometimes use it to prevent botulism in adult horses and foals.  It will only prevent botulism caused by type B toxin.  In general we only recommend this vaccine for horses on farms that feed round bales, haylage or silage, and on farms that have a recent history of a botulism problem.  The bacteria that cause botulism are anaerobic, meaning that they need an environment without exposure to air, so the bacteria often can live in the center of large round bales that are consumed slowly by horses.  Haylage and silage can present a problem due to the anaerobic environment in which these feeds are stored.  We do not routinely vaccinate all horses or pregnant mares because the incidence of the disease is low in our practice area.  

 

 Question #3:
 I just found out my 2 year old standardbred filly has a subepiglottic cyst on the right side of the pharynx.  What information can you give me on this condition and what do you recommend?
 Answer:

 

Subepiglottic cysts are fluid-filled structures in the throat area, underneath the epiglottis, which is the flap that moves to cover the trachea (wind pipe) upon swallowing.  These cysts can be quite large and obstruct airflow and swallowing function.  They are believed to be a problem that is usually present at birth.  They may result from cystic distortion of embryonic remnants of the thyroglossal duct.  Cysts acquired later in life are hypothesized to result from obstruction or inflammation of the mucus glands.  Very large cysts in foals can cause difficulty breathing and difficulty swallowing shortly after birth.  More commonly, horses show no signs of a problem until they are placed into work.  Upon exertion, one may notice abnormal respiratory noise as well as exercise intolerance.  Occasional coughing may be noted.  The diagnosis is usually made via endoscopy (scoping), although x-rays and other diagnostics may be needed.  Treatment involves surgical removal of the cyst.  There are different procedures available and the best one to use depends on one’s budget as well as the shape, size and location of the cyst.  Other than traditional surgery which involves incising the throat area to gain access to the cysts, one may also try laser removal or removal via the oral route using a snare.  There has also been a recent report of a subepiglottic cyst being treated with formalin injection with a good outcome.  The prognosis after surgery is usually favorable.  Dorsal displacement of the soft palate (flipping the palate) and/or epiglottic dysfunction may become a problem after surgery, secondary to excessive scar tissue formation.             

 
 
 

 
 

 
 
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